Legislature(2005 - 2006)HOUSE FINANCE 519

03/14/2005 01:30 PM House FINANCE


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SJR 6 FEDERAL MEDICAL ASSISTANCE REDUCTION
Moved HCS SJR 6(FIN) Out of Committee
HB 155 USE CRIMINAL FINES FOR YOUTH COURTS
Heard & Held
= SB 98 FAST TRACK SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPS/CBRF
Heard & Held
Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled
CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 98(FIN) am                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act  making  supplemental  appropriations,  capital                                                                   
     appropriations,   and  other  appropriations;   amending                                                                   
     appropriations;  making   appropriations  to  capitalize                                                                   
     funds; making appropriations  under art. IX, sec. 17(c),                                                                   
     Constitution   of  the   State  of   Alaska,  from   the                                                                   
     constitutional  budget reserve  fund; and providing  for                                                                   
     an effective date."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Sections 7(a) - 7(e)                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Appropriations associated  with the Natural Gas Pipeline                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
BOB BARTHOLOMEW,  CHIEF OPERATING  OFFICER, ALASKA  PERMANENT                                                                   
FUND  CORPORATION,   DEPARTMENT  OF  REVENUE,   responded  to                                                                   
questions regarding the use of  permanent fund receipts.  The                                                                   
Board  does  not  take  a  position  on  the  expenditure  of                                                                   
permanent fund  earnings. The  Board manages the  investments                                                                   
and it is  the Legislature's prerogative on  how the earnings                                                                   
are used. The Corporation does  recommend that any use of the                                                                   
earnings stay  within the annual sustainable  earnings of the                                                                   
Fund, which is 5% of its value.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Bartholomew spoke  to  corporate receipts.  He  observed                                                                   
that receipts  are used to  fund the Corporation's  operating                                                                   
budget (the  cost of investment  management). There  has been                                                                   
an additional  use of  receipts to  cover costs relating  (in                                                                   
some sense) to the collection  of royalty revenues. The Board                                                                   
accounts for, but has no comment on this use.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Bartholomew  noted  that the  designation  of  corporate                                                                   
receipts   is  important  from   the  investment   management                                                                   
prospective.  The  designation  allows  expenditures  of  the                                                                   
investment revenues, before calculating  the amount available                                                                   
for  distribution.  Corporation   receipts  come  from  gross                                                                   
revenues,  not the  Earnings Reserve  Account.   He  observed                                                                   
that  $64 million  dollars designated  as corporate  receipts                                                                   
have been  spent out of  the Fund, which  did not  pertain to                                                                   
the cost of  managing the Fund. Mr. Bartholomew  commented on                                                                   
the difference  between  what is accounted  for as  corporate                                                                   
receipts and what comes out of  the Earnings Reserve Account.                                                                   
Corporate receipts  come "up stream", out of  revenues, minus                                                                   
expenditures. The  determination of net income  goes into the                                                                   
statutory formulas  for what  is available for  distribution:                                                                   
50 percent  of which goes  to dividends.  Other  expenditures                                                                   
would have to be clarified as  to whether they are coming out                                                                   
of  the  Earnings  Reserve  Account or  "up  stream"  out  of                                                                   
corporate receipts.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Croft   asked  if  it  would   affect  future                                                                   
calculations of  available distributions, which  would affect                                                                   
the dividend. Mr. Bartholomew  observed that anytime money is                                                                   
taken out of the Permanent Fund,  it affects future earnings.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Croft  asked  if   the  $7  million   dollar                                                                   
diversion of  monies affected  the dividend. Mr.  Bartholomew                                                                   
stated that they had not.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker thought that  the affect on  dividends                                                                   
would be .85  cents after five years. Mr.  Bartholomew agreed                                                                   
that  the  estimate  would  be  in  the  "ball  park"  range.                                                                   
Representative  Croft  asked  the Department  of  Revenue  to                                                                   
provide an estimate. Mr. Bartholomew agreed.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:45:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Chenault  questioned if the investments,  over time,                                                                   
would  help bolster  the Fund.  Mr.  Bob Bartholomew  replied                                                                   
that  there are  two lines  that show  the expenditures:  the                                                                   
costs  of  investment management  and  other  appropriations,                                                                   
which  relate  to  royalty  payments.  He  observed  that  25                                                                   
percent of royalty  payments go into the Permanent  Fund. The                                                                   
Fund  has  received  approximately   $7  billion  in  royalty                                                                   
payments. Any  increase in royalties  would correspond  to an                                                                   
increase in the Permanent Fund.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
In  response  to  a  question   by  Vice-Chair  Stoltze,  Mr.                                                                   
Bartholomew discussed  sources of oil revenue.  He noted that                                                                   
the  three   largest  are:   royalties,  severance   tax  and                                                                   
corporate income  tax.  Royalties  are the primary  source of                                                                   
the Permanent  Fund's deposit  from mineral income.  The Fund                                                                   
does  not receive  a share  of  corporate income  tax or  the                                                                   
severance tax.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
In  response to  a question  by  Representative Stoltze,  Mr.                                                                   
Bartholomew noted  that the Board  of Trustees has  a neutral                                                                   
position on the use of earnings.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:48:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
In response  to a question  by Representative  Weyhrauch, Mr.                                                                   
Bartholomew reiterated  that corporate  receipts come  out of                                                                   
the revenues  of the investment.  Statutes determine  what is                                                                   
available for appropriation from  the Fund and are determined                                                                   
"downstream" as the net income.  The net income goes into the                                                                   
formula  adopted  by  statute,  which leads  to  a  five-year                                                                   
average. Currently,  50 percent  of this  amount goes  to the                                                                   
dividend.   Corporate receipts don't  have a limit.  They are                                                                   
an  appropriation of  gross  revenues of  investment  income.                                                                   
Earnings  go through  the Earnings  Reserve  Account and  are                                                                   
either   subject  to   the  statutory   formula.  Under   the                                                                   
Constitution   all  of   the  earnings   are  available   for                                                                   
appropriation.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:50:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kelly referred  to the $64 million [spent from                                                                   
the  Fund] not  related to  the management  of the  Permanent                                                                   
Fund.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bartholomew  reviewed expenditures. Money has  been spent                                                                   
from the Permanent  Fund for the cost of the  Corporation and                                                                   
costs of investments. Corporate  receipts have also been used                                                                   
for  three  agencies.  He  observed   that  $65  million  was                                                                   
appropriated  between 1989 to  2004: Department  of Law  - 70                                                                   
percent, Department  of Natural  Resources - 15  percent, and                                                                   
Department of  Revenue - 5  percent. The Department  of Law's                                                                   
funding  was   related  to  litigation  on   settlements.  In                                                                   
addition,  $13 billion  has been  appropriated  based on  the                                                                   
statutory formula leading to the  dividend fund distribution:                                                                   
$12.5 to dividends and $480 million  for various programs. He                                                                   
discussed  some of the  programs funded.  The Permanent  Fund                                                                   
Division  receives  costs  associated  with  the  payout  ($5                                                                   
million  a  year).  The  Department   of  Health  and  Social                                                                   
Services'  has a Hold  Harmless Program.  The Departments  of                                                                   
Public  Safety  and Corrections  receive  dividends  withheld                                                                   
from felons. There is also a small amount to legislature.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Croft questioned  if expenditures have settled                                                                   
to a yearly average.  Mr. Bartholomew  observed that the peak                                                                   
was  in the  late 1980's  and early  1990's, due  to a  large                                                                   
level  of  litigation.  In  1994,  $10  million  dollars  was                                                                   
withdrawn. There was $5.5 withdrawn  in 2004 and $6.8 million                                                                   
withdrawn  in 2005.  The FY  05 supplemental  request is  for                                                                   
another $6 million.  Representative Croft concluded  that the                                                                   
FY05  upstream  intake  would  be  doubled.  Mr.  Bartholomew                                                                   
agreed and pointed out that expenditures  are associated with                                                                   
the  proposed natural  gas  pipeline.   Representative  Croft                                                                   
pointed out  that the Permanent  Fund receives 25  percent of                                                                   
the royalty  and lease, not 25  percent of the  oil revenues.                                                                   
He thought  the percentage  [of oil  revenue received  by the                                                                   
Fund] would be closer to 10 percent.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:55:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Stoltze asked how much  the hold harmless draw is.                                                                   
Mr. Bartholomew  noted that the  draw has been  between $15.4                                                                   
and $15.9  million in the last  two years. He added  that any                                                                   
allocations that come  out of the Dividend Fund  would go out                                                                   
in dividends if they were not otherwise expended.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kelly  observed that the public  has indicated                                                                   
that dividends  should not be  touched and expressed  concern                                                                   
with the  appropriation in the  fast track. He did  not think                                                                   
the approach was "straight up".                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:58:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 8 (a)                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     ANWR      Total $500                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Funds for support  of national efforts to  open ANWR for                                                                   
     oil and gas exploration and development                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LINDA   PEREZ,    ADMINISTRATIVE   DIRECTOR,    DIVISION   OF                                                                   
ADMINISTRATIVE  SERVICES, OFFICE  OF THE  GOVERNOR, spoke  in                                                                   
support  of   the  appropriation.  The  Senate   removed  the                                                                   
original language,  which would  have appropriated  the grant                                                                   
directly to  Arctic Power.  The Administration has  requested                                                                   
that  the language  be  restored.  Without the  language  the                                                                   
Administration  would  have  to  go  through  a  request  for                                                                   
proposals. She stressed that a  direct grant would be faster.                                                                   
The  version before  the  Committee  would provide  a  direct                                                                   
appropriation  to the  Office  of the  Governor, without  any                                                                   
mention of Arctic Power.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker  observed that the  appropriation would                                                                   
be subject to  the state of Alaska's procurement  code, which                                                                   
would require competitive contracting,  as opposed to a named                                                                   
recipient grants,  which would  be recognized instantly.  Ms.                                                                   
Perez agreed and noted that it would add to the timeframe.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kelly referred  to an earlier discussion about                                                                   
Arctic  Power and  the  change in  staff.  He questioned  the                                                                   
intent in the deletion [of Arctic  Power] by the Senate.  Ms.                                                                   
Perez noted that the change occurred  as a result of a Senate                                                                   
floor amendment; he could not speak to the intent.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Section 9 (a) Alaskan Pioneer Homes: Pioneer Homes                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Replacing  unrealizable   federal  Medicaid  funds  with                                                                   
     receipt supported  services.   Lower receipts is  due to                                                                   
     the  voluntary  nature  of   residents  signing  up  for                                                                   
     Medicaid.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     (1,200.0) 1,200.0  Receipt Supported Services 0.0                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Section 9 (b) Health & Soc Srvcs Behavioral Health:                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Behavioral Health Medicaid  Svc Medicaid caseload growth                                                                   
     above FY 05 budget projections.   At current expenditure                                                                   
     rate, the  existing appropriation will be  gone in April                                                                   
     or May.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     $2,653.7  General Fund    $3,517.7 Federal Funds                                                                           
     $6,171.4 Total funds                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
JANET CLARK, ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER,  DIVISION OF FINANCE AND                                                                   
MANAGEMENT   SERVICES,  DEPARTMENT   OF  HEALTH  AND   SOCIAL                                                                   
SERVICES,  explained that  there  was no  change to  sections                                                                   
9(a) or 9(b)  on the Senate side.  She noted that the  in the                                                                   
FY05   budget  the   department  began   to  purse   Medicaid                                                                   
eligibility for residents  of the pioneer homes.  There was a                                                                   
slower,  than  anticipated,  ability to  earn  these  federal                                                                   
receipts.  However, there  has been an  increase in  receipts                                                                   
paid by residents for a net zero in funding.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:04:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 9 (c) Health & Social  Services Health Care Services:                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Women's  and  Adolescents  Services Feds  reduced  FFY05                                                                   
     funding  in the  Breast  and Cervical  Cancer  screening                                                                   
     program. The  fund source change will allow  services to                                                                   
     1600 enrolled  women that otherwise would  not be served                                                                   
     due  to  federal  funding  reductions.   Funds  will  be                                                                   
     required by  late March or  early April to  continue the                                                                   
     program.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     $500.0 GF  (500.0) 0.0                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clark apologized for a miscommunication,  which indicated                                                                   
that  the Department  had  received  a reduction  in  federal                                                                   
funds from FY04 to FY05. Federal  money has not been reduced.                                                                   
There was  a misunderstanding  between the program  staff and                                                                   
the budget staff.   The program had applied  for an increased                                                                   
federal  allocation. When  the increase  did not occur,  they                                                                   
perceived it as  a reduction. The FY05 federal  allocation is                                                                   
$1.9 million, the same as FY04.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Clark clarified  that without  the supplemental  request                                                                   
the department  would have to  restrict access to  the Breast                                                                   
and Cervical Program and will  not be able to serve all those                                                                   
that  are  currently  eligible  and  who  have  applied.  The                                                                   
program can only save $250 thousand  if service is restricted                                                                   
on  April 1  to women  ages 40  - 64  (the program  currently                                                                   
serves women ages  18 - 64).  The program serves  6,000 women                                                                   
annually  and provides  clinical breast  exams, pelvic  exams                                                                   
and pap smear tests  to women ages 18 - 64.  The program also                                                                   
provides screening  mammograms for women  age 50 -  64, which                                                                   
is the  highest risk group. The  program is always  the payer                                                                   
of  last  resort.  Income  eligibility   is  250  percent  of                                                                   
poverty,  which  is  consistent  with 37  other  states  that                                                                   
provide the same service.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
In  response to  a question  by Vice-Chair  Meyer, Ms.  Clark                                                                   
noted  that  states  set  the ages  of  service.  Alaska  has                                                                   
provided  screening  for  women   ages  18  -  64  since  the                                                                   
program's  inception.  Mammograms are  considered  diagnostic                                                                   
and are provided to the suggested  age group of women who are                                                                   
50 - 64 years of age.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  asked about the  high-risk group.   Ms. Clark                                                                   
clarified  that mammograms  are recommended  every couple  of                                                                   
years for  women who  are 40  years old;  and every  year for                                                                   
those 50 years of age or older.  The state does not cover the                                                                   
age 40  - 50  group.   Co-Chair Meyer  questioned how  Alaska                                                                   
compares with other  states.  Ms. Clark stated  that Alaska's                                                                   
program  provides   "very  minimal   coverage".  Most   state                                                                   
programs are the  same on coverage, but differ as  to the age                                                                   
of women  served. Some states  do not serve  the 18 -  40 age                                                                   
group.  The service array is the same.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
In response to  a question by Co-Chair Meyer,  Ms Clark noted                                                                   
that a  reduction in service  to age  40 and above  would not                                                                   
result in  sufficient savings, due  to the time  remaining in                                                                   
the current fiscal  year.  She did not know  what the savings                                                                   
would be if the  age of those served were changed  for a full                                                                   
fiscal  year. She  noted that  a number of  states cover  the                                                                   
same age group as Alaska.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:11:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker observed  that the Administration  was                                                                   
aware in September that $500 thousand  in federal funds would                                                                   
not be available.  He asked why corrections were  not made at                                                                   
that time to modify  the program, to account for  the lack of                                                                   
federal  funding. He  noted that  the  department could  have                                                                   
reduced  coverage to 30  years of  age and  over in order  to                                                                   
reduce the impact. Ms. Clark replied  that the Administration                                                                   
felt  that program  should be  continued  and a  supplemental                                                                   
sought since  it has such a  direct impact on  saving women's                                                                   
lives.  Representative  Hawker  asked if  the  Administration                                                                   
considered  providing funds  through  the Governor's  Office.                                                                   
Ms. Clark  reiterate the  belief that  the Legislature  would                                                                   
approve the  supplemental and see  the merits of  the program                                                                   
since it directly saves lives.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker pointed  to  inconsistencies. He  felt                                                                   
there  was a  conflict between  the Administration's  request                                                                   
for  legislative guidance  and  their actions  regarding  the                                                                   
request.  Ms.  Clark  disagreed;  she pointed  out  that  the                                                                   
Administration was  in front of Legislature  and acknowledged                                                                   
the  Legislature's   authority  to  decide   the  appropriate                                                                   
funding level.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kelly  asked what  percentage  of  population                                                                   
served is  Alaska Native.  Ms.  Clark did not know  the exact                                                                   
percentage,  but observed  that  the program  does not  serve                                                                   
those that  are eligible  for funding  through Indian  Health                                                                   
Services  (HIS).  He  suggested  that an  adjustment  in  age                                                                   
population  could have  been done,  in order  to protect  the                                                                   
high-risk group.  He felt the  poverty level was  appropriate                                                                   
and noted the affect of the missing  $500 thousand in federal                                                                   
funds.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:17:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Croft  questioned  how  many women  would  be                                                                   
served by the $500,000 request.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
DEB  ERICKSON, DEPUTY  DIRECTOR,  PUBLIC  HEALTH, noted  that                                                                   
with the additional funding, 7,400  women would be served (if                                                                   
services  were continued  at the  same level).   Without  the                                                                   
request only 5,500 women would  be served.  The request would                                                                   
fund an additional 1,800 to 2,000 women.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Croft noted  that the  cost is  approximately                                                                   
$300  per  person.  He  asked if  that  number  includes  the                                                                   
examination  and "some sort  of last  ditch insurance".   Ms.                                                                   
Clark  clarified  that  the  program  would  only  cover  the                                                                   
screening program itself.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Croft  asked what  would happen to  someone who  does not                                                                   
have insurance, who finds that  they have cancers as a result                                                                   
of the  screening.   Ms. Clark noted  that women  with cancer                                                                   
would  be  eligible   for  Medicaid,  which   would  pay  for                                                                   
treatment.  Representative Croft  stressed  that the  program                                                                   
provides prevention  and avoids  a tremendous amount  of cost                                                                   
as well as human tragedy. Ms.  Clark estimated that for every                                                                   
dollar spent there  is a $7 dollar savings  in treatment with                                                                   
an early diagnosis.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:21:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 9 (b)                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clark  observed that there  was no change in  the request                                                                   
for the Behavior Health Program.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Section 9 (e)                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There were no questions on Section 9 (e).                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:22:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 10 (a)                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
There were  no questions for  Section 10 (a),  which remained                                                                   
the same.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Section 10 (b)                                                                                                                  
     Contractual costs for a prosecutor to represent the                                                                        
     Department of Law in the Therapeutic Courts program.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DAVID  MARQUEZ,  ASSISTANT ATTORNEY  GENERAL,  DEPARTMENT  OF                                                                   
LAW, observed  noted that  a prosecutor  would be hired  from                                                                   
the Department  of Law's  Juneau District Attorney's  Office.                                                                   
The cost would be $21,312 for a contract attorney.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Section 7 (b)                                                                                                                   
     Civil Division, Oil, Gas and Mining                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Legal costs for work related to the state gas pipeline                                                                     
     and to bringing North Slope natural gas to market, and                                                                     
     other oil and gas projects for FY05 and FY06.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     9,000.0                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
In  response  to  a question  by  Representative  Croft,  Mr.                                                                   
Marquez   noted   that  the   request   is   needed  in   the                                                                   
supplemental. The work for the  Natural Gas Pipeline would be                                                                   
mostly for outside council.  There  are three firms assisting                                                                   
the state of Alaska. He estimated  that current funding would                                                                   
run out in March or April.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Croft observed that  some of the  request was                                                                   
not  needed   for  the  proposed   pipeline  and   asked  for                                                                   
additional information  demonstrating that the  entire amount                                                                   
was needed in the supplemental.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:27:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 12 (b) Tax Division                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Increased tobacco tax enforcement costs for the Tobacco                                                                    
     Tax legislation passed as ch. 1, FSSLA 2004.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHERYL  FRASCA, DIRECTOR,  DIVISION OF  MANAGEMENT &  BUDGET,                                                                   
OFFICE  OF  THE  GOVERNOR,  explained  that  Section  12  (b)                                                                   
relates  to  Denali  Commission  funding  for  the  Fairbanks                                                                   
Detoxification  Center.   The  state  authorization   of  the                                                                   
federal  funds was  given  to the  Department  of Health  and                                                                   
Social Services,  but the Denali Commission  appropriated the                                                                   
funds to the Mental Health Trust  Authority because they were                                                                   
the original recipient of the federal funds.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SUSAN TAYLOR, DIRECTOR, DIVISION  OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES,                                                                   
DEPARTMENT OF  REVENUE, explained that the  Denali Commission                                                                   
granted  the   funds  to  the  Alaska  Mental   Health  Trust                                                                   
Authority. The Administration  was unable to change the grant                                                                   
to the  Department of Health  and Social Services,  where the                                                                   
legislature had appropriated the  funds. The funds need to be                                                                   
spent by September 30, 2005.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 7 (a)                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Stoltze asked about  corporate receipts in Section                                                                   
7 (a).    Ms. Frasca  acknowledged that  the Legislature  has                                                                   
used corporate  receipts in  previous years  for oil  and gas                                                                   
litigation and other  related matters. She did  not know what                                                                   
the Governor would decide regarding their use.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:31:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 6 (c)                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Croft asked  for  more information  regarding                                                                   
expenditures  from the  Information Services  Fund. He  noted                                                                   
that purchases  would be consolidated  into a master  line of                                                                   
credit, which  would make  sense, as long  as the  costs were                                                                   
charged back to  individual departments. He  worried that the                                                                   
debt  would be  paid out  of general  funds,  which would  go                                                                   
around  the GO  bond  process. He  questioned  if state  debt                                                                   
would be borrowed through the master credit card line.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Frasca stressed  that it is a financing  mechanism, which                                                                   
has been used over the years.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JOAN BROWN,  CHIEF BUDGET ANALYST,  OFFICE OF  MANAGEMENT AND                                                                   
BUDGET, OFFICE  OF THE GOVERNOR, explained that  the Division                                                                   
of Elections,  Accuvote system was purchased  in this manner.                                                                   
Ms. Frasca  added that the  intent was  to charge out  to the                                                                   
departments  and  capture  federal  funds  over  time.    She                                                                   
emphasized that  they were attempting  to lower  general fund                                                                   
spending.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Croft  thought that the total  amount would be                                                                   
$37  million  dollars.    Ms. Frasca  noted  that  there  was                                                                   
another $20 million  dollars in the capital  budget for their                                                                   
payroll  system  replacement.   The  Administration  has  not                                                                   
decided how  to proceed, but the  intent is to charge  out to                                                                   
those that get payroll checks  issued, which would allow them                                                                   
to capture  some non-general  fund, fund  sources to  be paid                                                                   
over time.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Croft  reiterated his estimate that  there had                                                                   
been a  total of  $37 million  dollars used  in this  type of                                                                   
debt  financing.   Ms.  Frasca summarized  that  there was  a                                                                   
total of $17  million in information technology  (IT) capital                                                                   
projects and $20 million from the payroll system.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Section 6 (a)                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Hawker  referred   to  Section  6(a),   fuel                                                                   
increases for  the Alaska Marine Highway System.  He observed                                                                   
that $10  million dollars  were allocated  for fuel  costs in                                                                   
the  FY06 budget,  while  the expected  cost  is $16  million                                                                   
dollars.   He questioned  if the  additional money  should be                                                                   
contained in the "whole" budget  and not be brought back as a                                                                   
supplement. Ms.  Frasca explained that  they did not  know if                                                                   
the  high  prices would  continue  when  the budget  was  put                                                                   
together in September 2004. She did not know if it was                                                                          
appropriate to proceed with a FY06 budget amendment.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SB 98 was HELD in Committee for further consideration.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:38:03 PM                                                                                                                    

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